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  How to be Thrown under the JW Bus

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i think we produced this by group think and bears reiterating.. if you don’t want to be thrown under the bus in jw land, you best not.

  1. verbalize disagreement with any official teaching of the society.. 2. celebrate your child’s birthdays.

  3. celebrate christ’s birthday on december 25th or any other date.. 4. socialize with others who have already been thrown under the bus.. 5. take up smoking.

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  Smoking defiles the body and is deadly. I am very grateful that it is now banned in all workplaces (other than businesses which specifically are for smoking) in the USA. I am also thankful that smoking is banned by the WT for all JWs and that the kingdom halls around the whole are environments free of tobacco smoke. I am thankful that I was raised in a household entirely of nonsmokers, and in a home that was free of smoke (other than from food cooking in the kitchen and from some smoke from wood burning in the fireplace). Secondhand tobacco smoke in the home is extremely hazardous to human health, and I am so glad I was never exposed to it at my home, at the schools I attended, in the government buildings I entered, and while working indoors.
  

  I am also glad that JWs are mandated to never join a military. When I read the OT Bible (and the NT prophecies in Revelation of war) I am appalled by accounts of wars and various other killings of humans in the name of YHWH/Jehovah God, and in killings of humans that were not done in God's name. Reading those accounts (including the account in Esther chapter 9 of an enormous massacre, in regards to the beginning of the Jewish/Hebrew holiday [a so-called 'holy day'] of Purim) depresses me. To the extent that I the believe that some the biblical accounts of such killings are factual, I am very angry that such killings happened.
  

  Likewise I am appalled and depressed of the accounts of wars in more recent times, including of the wars from 1914 onward.

  I am also appalled and sometimes depressed when reading WT literature which glories the so-called future war by the so-called Jehovah God of the so-called Armageddon, despite me believing such a war will never happen. I am appalled and sometimes depressed by it because the message of such is an unpleasant concept. It is one thing to promote the so-called God's defense of his so-called people, and another to promote that such will be by killing billions of other people. Likewise appalling is the message that Jehovah God will execute atheists and all worshipers of a nonJW religion, and that a beast-like government (especially one which supposedly will be a worldwide government) will severely oppress and even kill enormous numbers of people.

  So much of the so-called 'Holy' Bible is very disturbing, appalling, and depressing, even when a person views parts of it as fictional. Likewise, so much of the literature of the WT's JW religion has the same effect on me when I read it.
  
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  WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....

  by BoogerMan in

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  .......you will experience a fate worse than death!

  you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.

  you've got one month to change your mind.

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  See https://phys.org/news/2022-01-oldest-human-fossils-older.html regarding Homo sapiens.

  See https://www.livescience.com/oldest-homo-erectus-fossil-dremolen.html and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus regarding Homo erectus. The last paragraph of the Live Science article says the following. "Because fossil remains of Australopithecus and Paranthropus found at Drimolen date to the same time period, this research suggests the three archaic hominins all lived side-by-side in southern Africa at the same time — albeit briefly. This era would have been a moment of transition, the researchers wrote, right before Australopithecus went extinct and Homo erectus was just beginning its nearly 2 million-year residency on Earth. Indeed, the authors concluded, it could be that fierce competition with Homo erectus and Paranthropus finally led to the demise of Australopithecus — a possibility never seriously considered until now."

  The Wikipedia article says the following. "Homo erectus (/ˌhoʊmoʊ əˈrɛktəs/; meaning "upright man") is an extinct species of archaic human from the Pleistocene, with its earliest occurrence about 2 million years ago.[2] Its specimens are among the first recognizable members of the genus Homo."
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  WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .......you will experience a fate worse than death!

  you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.

  you've got one month to change your mind.

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  punkofnice, the WT on the cover of their Bible (and in the title page) calls their book "Holy Scriptures" and that is sufficient. A number of Jewish non-Christian translations of the OT Bible have the phrase "Holy Scriptures" on the cover (and on the title page) of their OT Bible instead of the word "Bible", likewise some non-WT Christian Bibles (such as the original edition of Darby's Bible). Some of Paul's letters use the word "scriptures" and none of the books of the Bible ever use the word "Bible".
  

  Some non-JW Christian Bibles also include the word "Translation" in the title of their Bible (including the original edition of the Darby Bible) and the New Living Translation (NLT).

  The NWT Bible is not a fake Bible. It is a real Bible and it is a good translation of the Bible. Furthermore, it is translated from manuscripts and critical texts that are far more reliable (that is, far more closer to the original wording of the books of the Holy Scriptures [at least in regards to the NT]) than those used by the translators of the KJV.
  

  The WT uses the phrase "New World" as part of the title of their Bible because starting around the year 1950 the WT started saying that a "New World" society of people (consisting of devout JWs) had come into existence. I think it also because that at that time JWs were thinking that the biblical New World was very soon to be brought into existence by Jesus Christ (of course JWs have often thought it is very near).
  
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  WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .......you will experience a fate worse than death!

  you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.

  you've got one month to change your mind.

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  I think it is strange that the Bible says "The wages of sin is death" since every multi-cellular organism on Earth dies (not just humans), even plants, but plants don't sin. Right? Some scientists however say that bacteria are immortal, since they split in two and thus replicate themselves into identical copies, over and over again. Granted the Bible does not say that any biological life ever had the prospect of living forever, other than humans, but still I think (form a scientific perspective) that the Bible teaching of "The wages of sin is death" is strange. Furthermore, anthropologists have found fossils of humans (even our species) who died more than 100,000 years ago, and even of extinct species humans (ones not of our species, such as Homo erectus) who died more than one million years ago, and thus long before the time which Genesis says (or implies) that the first humans came into existence.
  
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

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  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Disillusioned JW

  Well, at least the Commentary on the Book of James is on the Watchtower Library 1999 CD-ROM I have at home.
  
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
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  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  I thought the entire article main Aid book article on Chronology was written by Raymond Franz. I thought Raymond said he wrote it.
  
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Today a POMO friend of mine told me that all of the articles which mentioned Tony Morris and all of the video talks of Tony Morris are no longer on the WT's website. My friend also told me that a group photo of governing body members which had previously shown Tony no longer shows him in the photo. Is that information from my friend correct? The last time I checked the WT's website I saw working links to an article about his life story and to videos of some of his talks.
  
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  How to send Memorial greetings?

  by CuriousAboutJW in

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  i have a friend who is a witness, and i wanted to send them a message on tuesday, but i'm not entirely sure what to say.

  "happy memorial" doesn't seem quite right.

  what are some appropriate greetings to send on the day of the memorial of jesus christ?.

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  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism which says in part the following. "Quartodecimanism (from the Vulgate Latin quarta decima in Leviticus 23:5,[1] meaning fourteenth) is the name given to the practice of celebrating the death of Christ on the day of Passover on the 14th of Nisan according to the biblical dating, being on whatever day of the week. The Quartodeciman controversy in the Church was over the question of celebrating Easter on the first day of the week, Sunday, or at the same time as the sacrifice of the Passover lamb.[2] "
  
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  How to send Memorial greetings?

  by CuriousAboutJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have a friend who is a witness, and i wanted to send them a message on tuesday, but i'm not entirely sure what to say.

  "happy memorial" doesn't seem quite right.

  what are some appropriate greetings to send on the day of the memorial of jesus christ?.

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  Disillusioned JW

  CuriousAboutJW, the Witnesses 'observe' the Memorial on the Jewish holiday of Passover (or of the the Passover Seeder?) on the Nisan 14th date of the Jewish religious lunar calendar, and as a result it does not fall on the same weekday each year. The early Jewish Christians (and some other Christians for at least a few centuries) also observed it on that day of the Jewish religious calendar. Other Christians chose to distance themselves from Judaism by a greater extent by observing it on what is called Good Friday.
  

  According to the gospels Jesus instituted the observance on the Jewish Passover day of Nisan 14th (except that some scholars say that according to at least one gospel account the date was on Nisan 15th). In the USA the date of the WT's Memorial event typically is on the same day that USA calendars say the Jewish holiday of Passover is on.

  Since the majority of JW don't partake of the emblems, the WT uses the word "observe" in regards to the event in the sense of "see" instead of the in the sense of "do". Most JWs don't do what Jesus said to do in regards to the event, namely to partake of the emblems (to drink the "fruit of the vine" and eat the unleavened bread). Instead they merely see the emblems (and hear a talk about them) and pass them onto another JW.
  
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  disfellowshipped for having a personal opinion based on WT

  by Leslie in

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  2. bible

  in 2008 i was baptized into the truth after leaving a trinitarian faith.

  during my eight years as a jehovah’s witness, i strived to keep the standards set by the bible, wt and the faithfull and discrete slave.

  but unfortunately, the congregational elders from the kingdom hall i attended were not keeping to jehovah’s standards, hence, wrote my letter of resignation.

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  Disillusioned JW

  Leslie, since you officially resigned, you officially left the religion. Since you officially quit the religion and since you have not been reinstated your status is disassociated instead of disfellowshipped. Since you gave the elders the impression that you are now an apostate you are now disassociated person who according to the elders and to the WT is also now also an apostate. It appears to me you are not a disfellowshipped apostate, but rather a disassociated apostate according to the WT. Since you are considered an apostate it will be much harder for you to become reinstated.
  

  I notice you quoted the following words. "If one obstinately is speaking about or deliberately spreading false teachings this may be or may lead to apostasy. If there is no response after a first and second admonition, a judiciary committee be formed”. My understanding is that that policy pertains to people who are still JW (ones who are neither disassociated or disfellowshipped) who are in danger of becoming disfellowshipped (by way of a judiciary committee). I thus think the 'three strikes' policy stated above does not apply to disassociated people (nor disfellowshipped people) who are trying to get reinstated.

  Regarding Michael the Archangel, my understanding is that the WT teaches (and has taught for many decades) that Jesus was Michael the Archangel prior to being conceived as a human in the womb of Mary, but while not he was human. And, that the WT teaches that after ascending into heaven (and perhaps staring with the moment of his resurrection) he became Michael the Archangel again. In other words, I think the WT teaches that Jesus was and is Michael the Archangel only during the time that Jesus was a spirit being, instead of a human being. The WT teaches that Jesus was never at the same time both a human being and a spirit being. For the WT that is a major teaching, and thus according to the WT tells others that you disagree with it means (according to the WT) that you are an apostate. Since you have the view the view that the F.A.D.S. are "the ones that need to be admonished and corrected and not" you, then to the F.A.D.S. (even if your view is correct) you can not be reinstated (if ever) until after you abandon that view.